LGBT: Should a Pastor be sued for refusing to marry a same-sex couple?
A Pastor, Rabbi or Imam, opposed to Same-sex marriage and homosexuality, should they be open to lawsuits if they refuse to marry a same-sex couple?
Should a Church, Temple, Synagogue or Mosque be open to law suits for not allowing Same-sex marriages in their establishments?
Or A Christian Married couple retreat, should they be allowed to bar Same-Sex "Christian" couples from the retreat? They might say "We're Christian and we're married, they have no right to bar us from attending"
1. no he should be fired
2. Well if it's legal in that state, then I say they should be sued. Otherwise, there's no point if it isn't legal.
3. No I don't think so being sued is little bit to much,
4. "A Pastor, Rabbi or Imam, opposed to Same-sex marriage and homosexuality, should they be open to lawsuits if they refuse to marry a same-sex couple?"
When Same sex marriage is legal and they are a legal servant? Yes. it's very similar to that case where the judge refused to marry the interracial couple because of his personal beliefs.
Edit: Though they really should be fired...
"Should a Church, Temple, Synagogue or Mosque be open to law suits for not allowing Same-sex marriages in their establishments?"
"Or A Christian Married couple retreat, should they be allowed to bar Same-Sex "Christian" couples from the retreat? They might say "We're Christian and we're married, they have no right to bar us from attending""
5. No. If their religion says no SSM, then they should be allowed to follow that.
They're all private establishments, they have the right to refuse service to whomever they want.
However it would NOT be acceptable for a justice of the peace to refuse a SSM service.
6. No, you should just find a pastor who will marry you.
There are some legitimate reasons to refuse to marry a couple. And even though being a gay couple isnt a good enough reason, you can always find a pastor who will marry you. My advice would be to not get tied up in a lot of negativity at this important time in your lives, and concentrate on making a life with your partner.
It seems like it would be really bad karma to start out your married relationship with either a lawsuit or a legal action, especially when another pastor will do it anyway.
it is unfortunate that this pastor feels the way he does, however for your own peace of mind and happiness I would simply move on.
7. There is such a thing as freedom of religion so the pastor can do that. All the couple needs to do is see another pastor or justice of the peace.
technically, yes, but i think this entails flawed logic. homosexuals can still believe in everything else that's christian. no one says you have to believe everything of one set of ideas. just like a criminal can still be a christian or a father or a friend. a friend can be a bad friend but can still be considered a friend if you choose to consider him so.
A Justice Of the Peace who performs marriages at the Courthouse and is employed by the government should not discriminate (if it is legal in his/her state), but a preacher, pastor, rabbi, imam or high priestess or whatever should be able to decide who they want to marry or not.
Having said that, however, I *do* think that if churches want to protect their right to discriminate, THEY SHOULD STOP GETTING TAX BREAKS. Private organizations should be able to serve who they want and reject who they so choose. Churches ain't exactly "private" when they're getting government money and breaks.
10. Umm Technically no because gay marriage is not legal so their is no actual law or civil right being imposed upon
Of the Connotations of his actions are totally foolish
And the retreat thing is stupid why would it matter if they are christian and a couple then they should be allowed to go
11. Absolutely not. Religious freedom (even for homophobic dodo heads) is a basic right in this country.
Pastors do not have to marry *anyone* they don't wish to, period.
And they can believe anything they wish about same-sex couples.
If a gay couple want a church wedding, it's up to them to find a gay-friendly church who will happily host that wedding.
12. You may have the right to get married in your state, but you don't have the right to force someone to marry you. Court rulings and legislation regarding gay marriage pertain to your being able to get married by a Justice of the Peace and to obtain a marriage license. They also make it legal for ministers to perform legal marriage ceremonies for same sex couples if it is consistent with their church's belief system, but state legislators cannot abridge the 1st amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which allows freedom of religion. You can start your own church which encompasses what you believe, but you cannot impose your beliefs on another church.
13. NO. Under NO circumstances. It is their religion. They have the right to refuse.
We have the right to choose another clergy person.
This is exactly the kind of things that Christians fear. THIS is why they oppose rights for us. Because they are afraid of THEIR rights being trampled on.
14. Not in my view, the only people who should be open to prosecution for not marrying same-sex couples are the public officials who deal with marriages for states/ countries where it's legal as they're there for a public service, not to impose their views.
I don't understand why some gay people want to get married in the churches of religious institutions that suppressed them for so long anyway, but everyone has the right to live their lives any way they like I suppose.
15. Places of worship are specifically written to be exempt from such policies because of separation of church and state. So while a courthouse should be open to lawsuits for refusing to marry a same-sex couple, a place of worship should not.
If the Christian married couples' retreat is organized by a church, it should be allowed to discriminate. If it is organized by another entity (such as a cruise line) it should not be allowed to ban same-sex couples, or even non-Christians.
16. You ever walk into a bar and see a sign that says " We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"? There ya go. Self explanatory. Kids these days(rolls eyes).
17. I must strongly agree with Gwennie. Kudos Gwennie.
I must also add that in every state that same sex marriage is allowed the laws that allow the marriage also disallow such law suits. This would also have been the case in Florida and California had this gone through. That sort of fear mongering is part of the rhetoric used by the religious right hate agenda. They state catagorically that you could be able to when the law in question says it cannot. That is an outright lie. Now isn't a lie a sin? So much for their own beliefs in their relgions huh?
18. As far as marriage goes, no. Churches/pastors have the right to deny something like same sex marriage because they are not, or at least should not be, considered a part of government. Faith is a choice. If you don't like it you have the choice to switch or ignore it. Government is a choice as well, albeit harder to change and near impossible to ignore, but same sex marriage goes beyond that to the realm of human rights. Regardless, marriage is important, to me at least, because of the rights and equality that comes with it. Not because I feel the need to be accepted by some arbitrary god that some people believe exist.
As far as retreats go, Im not to happy with your use of quotes around the word christian. Religion is an idea. It is intangible. No one can explain what it really is. No one can say what is and what isn't christian. If that was possible there wouldn't be so many sects of christianity. So who's to say that a SSC can't be christian? No one. As far as stopping a SSC from going on a retreat, then yes, they have the right. I use the same argument as I did for marriage.
Im not saying that it is right to discriminate, but in all honesty organized religion can go F it's self.
19. I am an Atheist and as much as I hate religion, I will have to say no because In the USA we have freedom of religion, not that I agree with that but thats the way it is.